Also, tulpabug, it's also that they survive logical error after pointed out, such as believing the lack of counterevidence/unfalsifiablility makes it true.
10:48 PM
Audio?
10:48 PM
Audible imposition is mostly what I meant, as most of the time a Tulpa is heard as a mindvoice at first, which is not a hallucination.
Even if Tulpas aren't provable (yet), the belief in Tulpas is very real. It's pretty weird that someone could sit in a quiet and non-violent environment and suddenly after a few months claim they have another person in their head
Specifically because of the definition of delusion as beliefs that can survive counterevidence, psychologists have been forced to exclude religious beliefs.
I'm not disputing the existence of a Tulpa. I'm proposing one possible method which could facilitate the brain's ability to create a Tulpa, while a Tulpa doesn't necessarily function within the parameters of a delusion.
10:51 PM
Religious beliefs imo should not be exempted but that's just me, nobody gets special treatment because they call it religion
Then what happened your point to tulpas can not be considered a psychotic hallucination because they are not psychotic, tulpabug? If mindvoices are psychotic hallucinations, you kind of dismantled your own argument.(edited)
You can seperate the left and right sides of the brain, when this happens both sides function independantly, one side can answer questions without the other knowing and theres experiments that have shown this since one side is primarily in control of what the body does but the other side can do stuff like write. And if you ask a person who has had this proceedure to answer questions both out loud and on paper without looking then the answers are different usually
I'd probably never de-sperg myself if I had the chance, though
Yeah, it fucks me up, yeah, I have to work harder a lot of the time, but I don't know if I'd be able to survive as a typical
Because of the inherent ambiguity of whether a mind voice is a hallucination or not, psychologists look at secondary things to try and determine the "truth" like whether the voices are inserted into your brain by government agents or not.
I think it's relatively safe to say that Tulpamancy is a large collection of mechanisms within the brain which on their own aren't necessarily very useful, but working in tandem in just the right way to be something beautiful
(1) Tulpas can produce hallucinations, but they can't be considered psychotic hallucinations
(2) delusions by definition are untrue so can only apply to fake tulpas.
A tulpa, to me, is likely formed from a very similar set of mechanisms, which are repeated but in a very specific way, with forcing being an efficient way to do this, and the process for both host minds and Tulpa minds may involve a healthy amount of several mechanisms including but not limited to delusion and hallucination.
11:06 PM
A Tulpa is not a delusion or hallucination, but they may be involved in facilitating the creation process
11:06 PM
The same way that as a child, a host is likely to hold delusions, which help it's development until it is time to let go of them
11:07 PM
The mechanism of delusion facilitates healthy psychological development, up to a point.
11:07 PM
A Tulpa is a person and a person is the constant mechanism of multiple psychological functions in tandem.
tb, I wasn't trying to say that tulpamancy was delusion or hallucination, I wanted more to use those as examples, I think there's going to be a huge range of very nuanced "things" going on that make tulpa work, and that those things are going to vary wildly between any person and the next.(edited)
I don't see where the origin is relevant to my second point that a Tulpa is a series of psychological mechanisms working together because they're a person and that's what people are
Honestly, delusions or not, Tulpas are pretty harmless delusions. Better to believe in Tulpas then something crazy like "I'm god's angel from heaven and I have a mission" or "these aliens are going to probe my boyfriend" or "I think the president is going to control the world using his nipples, I need to pretend to be Hillary Clinton and sing the rubber ducky song in front of the world!"(edited)
@Tulpabug , provide a more logically sound scientific approach to tulpamancy than a series of psychological factors and mechanisms, some of which are sometimes attributes to illness, making up various elements of the process and the Tulpa itself in the same way that they make up a host's "person" as well, if you want to go that route of being a person and not, well, the factors of what a person is.
It's more logically sound in the sense that my statement has a higher probability of being true. In addition, it is more scientific because it makes fewer assumptions, and presents a route for study.
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can you give a somewhere around five word summary on what your own thoughts on what tulpas are?(edited)
11:22 PM
seems like you would say that they are a separate "line or train of independent thought produced by an independent part of the brain" from what I'm reading(edited)
I believe I am real. I know very little about other tulpas. The phenomenon is diverse, so it is probable there is a spectrum of kinds of tulpas. Their nature is unknown. Scientific data is lacking.
I'm gonna give this a read tonight, actually, but I'm definitely saving a log of this so when I get further along in tulpamancy and we become 'stronger' she and I will revisit the topic and pour over it extensively.
